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Statistika tns ekpaideusns
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Ilias
2008-02-10 02:30:01 UTC
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-10 08:30:01 UTC
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lida anestidou
2008-02-10 15:30:00 UTC
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Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.

Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.

L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na
pei kaneis.
SCD
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2008-02-10 18:30:00 UTC
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Constantine Thomas
2008-02-10 23:30:01 UTC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Spyros Daskaleas" <***@DASKALEAS.COM>
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
To: <***@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw pws
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Daskalea, an ton antimetwpises opws antimetwpises emena sthn arxh me ths
eksupnades sou bgalmenes apo thn eis bathos paideia sou kala sou kanei.
Psakse na breis ti egrapsa egw otan me parotrune na anoiksw kabga mazi sou
kai mh ginesai crying baby oti kanenas den se uperaspizetai, akoma kai egw
se uperaspistika .
Meta , me to tropo pou stelnei mhnumata den ta diabazei kanenas, egw den
anoigw atatchments na brw mia frash treis lekseis gemath uponooymena, ara
den kseroume ti kanete eseis

Oso gia kabga me esena, (den anoigw ena kabga pou hdh ton exw kerdisei)
K
The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview

YG. opoy agapa paideyei
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis. L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na pei kaneis.
SCD
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2008-02-11 04:30:01 UTC
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Poios to arxise? pws arxise?
K
The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview
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From: Akis KALAITZIDIS=20
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To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU=20
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns


Spyro,
ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta to leei ki o Swthrhs =
poly kai gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia retsina me to =
palikari (den eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na =
mpw se authn thn kontra....
Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para to gegonos oti =
gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me enan allon mporei na =
einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw mesa alla re sy =
einai opws kai na to kanoume proswpiko...
Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia =
apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou kai =
exei mpei sto xronontoulapo alla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den =
eimai kai 100% ti na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?
Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton =
gnwrizw proswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane =
tis asxhmies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous na =
pe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw, =
ainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou topa =
kai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan bre0oume =
proswpo me proswpo and i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh =
opws kai na to kanoume prokeite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn =
pws 0a mpei enas tritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na =
pw kati sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine =
mono ta mpinelikia eida...
Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet kai to web =
exoun kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil =
society alla egw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se =
mia koinothta an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh pou =
exw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allon =
apo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na er0oume =
se epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn =
gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arketous apo retsines se diafora =
merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... alla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola =
kseperniete.... Katalabainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei =
alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw mesa =
den mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia =
hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...
sto katw katw to les kai monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5 =
gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a =
allaze an egw (to blepw proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn =
lista) as poume elega kastana eisai malakas?=20
telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw =
la0os re paidia?=20

Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, =
especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
=20
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
=20
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw =
pws=20
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me =
yperaspistei=20
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den=20
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
=20
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
=20
SCD
=20
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
=20
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.=20
=20
L.
=20
=20
=20
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson=20
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na=20
pei kaneis.
SCD
=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Spyro,<BR>ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta =
to leei=20
ki o Swthrhs poly kai gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia =
retsina=20
me to palikari (den eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei =
gamwto na=20
mpw se authn thn kontra....<BR>Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan =
an0rwpo, pou=20
para to gegonos oti gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me =
enan allon=20
mporei na einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw =
mesa alla=20
re sy einai opws kai na to kanoume proswpiko...<BR>Ma bgw egw kai na =
pw tou=20
kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia apofash na parw thn lista =
tou h thn=20
hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou kai exei mpei sto xronontoulapo alla =
gia mia=20
fash teleiws proswpikh pou den eimai kai 100% ti na pw h o ka0e enas =
edw mesa=20
ti na pei?<BR>Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou =
auton=20
ton gnwrizw proswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras =
ekane tis=20
asxhmies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous na =
pe0anei=20
alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw, ainte =
gamhsou=20
re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou topa kai =
kselafrwsa=20
(ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan bre0oume proswpo me =
proswpo=20
and i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh opws kai na to =
kanoume=20
prokeite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn pws 0a mpei enas tritos =
sthn=20
mesh kai ti na pei?&nbsp; 0a mporousa arage na pw kati sthn fash me =
thn Bea=20
kai ton&nbsp; xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine mono ta mpinelikia=20
eida...<BR>Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet =
kai to=20
web exoun kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil =
society=20
alla egw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se mia =
koinothta=20
an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh pou exw mazi =
tous einai=20
synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allon apo gyalina =
klubia=20
(bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na er0oume se =
epafh....koinwnia=20
einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn gnwmh mou edw mesa ki =
exw=20
synathsei kai arketous apo retsines se diafora merh mexri diadhlwseis =
kai ...=20
alla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola kseperniete.... Katalabainw =
isws oti=20
auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti =
na pw,=20
exoun ginei diafora edw mesa den mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na =
kati=20
parapanw apo mia tetoia hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...<BR>sto katw katw to les =
kai=20
monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5 gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h =
ypo0esh ti=20
allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a allaze an egw (to blepw proswpika an =
kai isws=20
anaferese se pollous sthn lista) as poume elega kastana eisai malakas? =

<BR>telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to =
blepw=20
la0os re paidia? <BR><BR>Papous<BR>"There are no conditions of life to =
which a=20
man cannot get accustomed, especially if he sees them accepted by =
everyone=20
around him." Tolstoy<BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 =
20:00:49=20
+0000<BR>&gt; From: ***@DASKALEAS.COM<BR>&gt; Subject: Re: =
Statistika tns=20
ekpaideusns<BR>&gt; To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Sygnwmh =
alla de=20
briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw pws <BR>&gt; einai =
dynaton=20
ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei <BR>&gt; alla =
apla na=20
rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den <BR>&gt; =
asxoleitai me=20
allo pragma edw mesa.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.<BR>&gt; = <BR>&gt;=20
SCD<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; lida anestidou wrote:<BR>&gt; &gt; Ws palio 8uma =
exw=20
kanei thn idia erwthsh ena<BR>&gt; &gt; ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou =

briskesai se auth th<BR>&gt; &gt; 8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti=20
trabh3ame alloi<BR>&gt; &gt; mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai =
mhnes.<BR>&gt; &gt;=20 <BR>&gt; &gt; Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta =
exei<BR>&gt; &gt;=20
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo<BR>&gt; &gt; to =
na ton=20
agnoeis. <BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; L.<BR>&gt; &gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; = <BR>&gt;=20
&gt; --- Spyros Daskaleas &lt;***@DASKALEAS.COM&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20 <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.<BR>&gt; =
&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
&gt;&gt; 8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton<BR>&gt; =
&gt;&gt;=20
psyxanwmalo toson <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma =
sas, sto=20
katw katw<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; ths grafhs. Ti na <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; pei=20
kaneis.<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt; SCD<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;<BR>&gt; =
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Spyro,
ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta to leei ki o Swthrhs poly kai=
gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia retsina me to palikari (de=
n eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na mpw se authn thn=
kontra....
Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para to gegonos oti gnwrizw=
manaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me enan allon mporei na einai kati pol=
y sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw mesa alla re sy einai opws kai n=
a to kanoume proswpiko...
Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia apofash =
na parw thn lista tou h thn hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou kai exei mpei s=
to xronontoulapo alla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den eimai kai 100%=
ti na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?
Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton gnwrizw p=
roswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane tis asxhmies t=
ou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous na pe0anei alla tet=
oios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw, ainte gamhsou re a=
stera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou topa kai kselafrwsa (ekan=
a ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan bre0oume proswpo me proswpo and=
i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh opws kai na to kanoume proke=
ite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn pws 0a mpei enas tritos sthn mesh=
kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na pw kati sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton =
xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine mono ta mpinelikia eida...
Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet kai to web exoun =
kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil society alla e=
gw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se mia koinothta an0rw=
pwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh pou exw mazi tous einai s=
ynh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allon apo gyalina klubia (blo=
ume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na er0oume se epafh....koinwnia eina=
i auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synath=
sei kai arketous apo retsines se diafora merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... all=
a to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola kseperniete.... Katalabainw isws oti a=
uto pou lew isws den se pei0ei alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, =
exoun ginei diafora edw mesa den mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati p=
arapanw apo mia tetoia hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...
sto katw katw to les kai monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5 gamwstarua =
kai teleiwnei h ypo0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a allaze an egw (to=
blepw proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn lista) as poume eleg=
a kastana eisai malakas?=20
telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw la0o=
s re paidia?=20

Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, espe=
cially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
=20
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
=20
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw pws=20
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei=20
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den=20
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
=20
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
=20
SCD
=20
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
=20
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.=20
=20
L.
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as edw mesa ti na pei?<br>Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, pa=
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An den eimaste emeis, h hellas, 15 atoma poy gnwrizomaste panw apo 10
xronia, koinothta online poios einai re pappoy? Den ka8omaste bebaia na
syzhtame ta proswpika mas edw mesa, alla dyo treis syzhthseis sobares 'h
gia na gelasoyme, tis kanoyme.

To 8ema toy Kastana me tsatizei giati xronia, prose3e, oxi meres, oxi
mhnes, XRONIA, bgainei kai leei tis malakies toy sthn hellas otan to
8ymatai. De leei apolytws tipote allo. De symmetexei se tipote allo edw
mesa. Bgainei kai me prokalei, xwris kamia apolytws proklhsh dikh moy.
Kai otan men alloi to gamoysan to 8ema, h lista ('h toylaxiston enas 'h
dyo) ebgainan kai elegan mia koybenta, edw de milaei kaneis! Kai o
blakas, nomizontas oti ton pairnei, synexizei th malakia kai 8a th
synexizei oso ton pairnei. Oxi re Akh, de 8elw oyte perimenw na me
"yperaspistei" kaneis, giati eimai xontropetsos do3a tw 8ew, apla 8elw
na katalabw, KANEIS pia den endiaferetai na rwthsei ton Kastana poio to
kolhma toy mazi moy? 'H toylaxiston o,ti exei na to lysei me proswpika
mazi moy 'h sth lista toy 'h ston psyxiatro? Oxi pws me endiaferei
bebaia na "lysw" kanena "problhma" me ton Kastana, alla leme twra.

Ti skata, pleon, prosferei se ayth th lista o hli8ios o Kastanas pera
apo to na bgainei, opote me 8ymatai, na me leei gyfto 'h kai gw den 3erw
ti allo xwris na ton exw prokalesei (giati den me endiaferei).

Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta de
sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy
Kastana, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Kastanas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon
oloys edw mesa.

SCD
Post by Constantine Thomas
Spyro,
ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta to leei ki o Swthrhs poly
kai gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia retsina me to
palikari (den eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na
mpw se authn thn kontra....
Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para to gegonos oti
gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me enan allon mporei na
einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw mesa alla re sy
einai opws kai na to kanoume proswpiko...
Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia
apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou kai
exei mpei sto xronontoulapo alla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den
eimai kai 100% ti na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?
Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton
gnwrizw proswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane
tis asxhmies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous na
pe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw,
ainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou topa
kai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan bre0oume
proswpo me proswpo and i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh
opws kai na to kanoume prokeite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn
pws 0a mpei enas tritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na
pw kati sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine
mono ta mpinelikia eida...
Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet kai to web
exoun kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil
society alla egw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se
mia koinothta an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh pou
exw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allon
apo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na er0oume
se epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn
gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arketous apo retsines se diafora
merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... alla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola
kseperniete.... Katalabainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei
alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw mesa
den mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia
hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...
sto katw katw to les kai monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5
gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a
allaze an egw (to blepw proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn
lista) as poume elega kastana eisai malakas?
telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw
la0os re paidia?
Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed,
especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw pws
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.
L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na
pei kaneis.
SCD
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2008-02-11 15:30:00 UTC
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Kati ksereis esu gia na to sunistas kai se emena giati gamiese apo tote pou
se gnwrisa
Mono pou den ekatses ston Kastana kai ton ekanes exthro.
K
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----- Original Message -----
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To: "Constantine Thomas" <ou-***@sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <***@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Ante gamhsoy re Thomas prwi prwi poy 8a moy kaneis kai ma8hma. Hli8ie.
SCD
----- Original Message ----- From: "Spyros Daskaleas"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw pws
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Daskalea, an ton antimetwpises opws antimetwpises emena sthn arxh me ths
eksupnades sou bgalmenes apo thn eis bathos paideia sou kala sou kanei.
Psakse na breis ti egrapsa egw otan me parotrune na anoiksw kabga mazi
sou kai mh ginesai crying baby oti kanenas den se uperaspizetai, akoma
kai egw se uperaspistika .
Meta , me to tropo pou stelnei mhnumata den ta diabazei kanenas, egw den
anoigw atatchments na brw mia frash treis lekseis gemath uponooymena, ara
den kseroume ti kanete eseis
Oso gia kabga me esena, (den anoigw ena kabga pou hdh ton exw kerdisei)
K
The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview
YG. opoy agapa paideyei
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis. L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na pei kaneis.
SCD
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-11 17:30:01 UTC
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Ti hli8ios poy eisai re Thomas, oyte kan plaka den exeis...

SCD
Post by Constantine Thomas
Kati ksereis esu gia na to sunistas kai se emena giati gamiese apo tote
pou se gnwrisa
Mono pou den ekatses ston Kastana kai ton ekanes exthro.
K
The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview
----- Original Message ----- From: "Spyros Daskaleas"
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Ante gamhsoy re Thomas prwi prwi poy 8a moy kaneis kai ma8hma. Hli8ie.
SCD
----- Original Message ----- From: "Spyros Daskaleas"
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.hellas
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw
pws einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me
yperaspistei alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi
moy kai den asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Daskalea, an ton antimetwpises opws antimetwpises emena sthn arxh me
ths eksupnades sou bgalmenes apo thn eis bathos paideia sou kala sou
kanei.
Psakse na breis ti egrapsa egw otan me parotrune na anoiksw kabga
mazi sou kai mh ginesai crying baby oti kanenas den se uperaspizetai,
akoma kai egw se uperaspistika .
Meta , me to tropo pou stelnei mhnumata den ta diabazei kanenas, egw
den anoigw atatchments na brw mia frash treis lekseis gemath
uponooymena, ara den kseroume ti kanete eseis
Oso gia kabga me esena, (den anoigw ena kabga pou hdh ton exw kerdisei)
K
The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview
YG. opoy agapa paideyei
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis. L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na pei kaneis.
SCD
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2008-02-11 17:30:01 UTC
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Kala den perimena tipote kallitero apo sena Oikonomidoy.

An h3eres ta gelia poy exei ri3ei o Kastanas me tis malakies soy bebaia
allh poreia 8a eixes alla sto katw katw de me polyendiaferei ti idea
exeis gia mena esy kai sigoyra den perimena pote na me yperaspisteis esy
(ti idea) an kai EGW se exw yperaspistei esena.

Telos pantwn Oikonomidoy koritsi moy, kala na eisai kai koita na
ftia3eis th zwh soy kapoia mera giati deka kai xronia poy se 3erw ta
idia skata eisai, kakia panw sthn kakia. Kai meta soy lene oi xontroi
einai kalokardoi.

Filia

SCD
Akn, sto 0ema pou e0teis 0a apavtnsw argotera, giait eivia a3io avalusns.
Lnda, mnv parapoviesai oti kavevas klp klp. To exoume 3avasuzntnsei to
0ema. O,ti eipa tote isxuei akoma.
Gia to av mas evdiaferei va rwtnsoume giati, exw va pw: Oxi, de me
evdiaferei, alla av oi amesa evdiaferomevoi 0elouv va mas pouv apo movoi
tous, peite mou va parw to popkorv kai va piasw mia kaln 0esn va dw to
0eama. Allwste, 0a elega oti trwgeste va ta peite.
Oso gia tov Daskalea... Dev mporw va pw oti dev gelasa. Otav dnladn sou
sumbaivouv auta pou o idios kaveis stous allous evoxleisai;
Kai toulaxistov, estw, as poume oti me tov gkast exete proswpikes
diafores pou dev tis 3eroume kai mpore va eivia polu sobares.
Me emeva ti proswpikes diafores exeis; Oute exoume koivous gvwstous,
oute se exw dei pote mou. Me to Feidia ti diafores exeis, pou omoiws dev
vomizw oti exete bre0ei pote 'n oti exete otidnpote koivo;
A, vai, kai va to mnvuma tou Daskalea me merikes dior0wseis, opws dnladn
Post by Spyros Daskaleas
Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta
de sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote
face-to-face alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai
aproklhth, toy Daskalea, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte
zesth, e ti na pw, apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to
paristanw, ligotero me enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Daskaleas (giati
einai malakas) apo to oti profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA
anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon oloys edw mesa.
Sophia
2008-02-11 18:30:01 UTC
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Post by Spyros Daskaleas
Kala den perimena tipote kallitero apo sena Oikonomidoy.
Swpa re adiknmeve!
Fusika, egw perimeva apo seva omws oln autn tnv kaln 0elnsn pou deixveis
Post by Spyros Daskaleas
An h3eres ta gelia poy exei ri3ei o Kastanas me tis malakies soy bebaia
allh poreia 8a eixes
kai sxoliazoovtas ta kila mou kai tnv oikogeveiakn mou katastasn.

3exases va peis oti eimai kai asxnmomoura kai megaln stnv nlikia kai
koutsompola kai exw yuxologika problnmata kai paw se yuxavalutn.
Ti givetai, exeis arxisei va 3exvas ti prepei va peis kai me poia seira
va to peis;
(Fusika to oti akoma dev exw parei to didaktoriko mou exw polu kairo va
to akousw edw mesa, alla pesto ki auto, etsi, gia va mnv afnvoume keva)
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Koita nomizw oti den me katalabes
auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai koinothtes sthn =
pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...
To briskw dyskolo na milshsw gia ta proswpika ta opoia den einai gnwsta me =
leptomereies alla panw katw olloi to piasane to yponooumeno,
to zhthma einai ti kaneis se authn thn periptwsh, nomizw h kalyterh apanths=
h einai na ton agnoeis den ginete alliws=20
bgeneis les ena mpineliki pernaei h wra, to na les giati den lete eseis oi =
alloi kati den boh0aei esena (oxi oti xreizese boh0eia) alla oute thn lista=
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o ka0enas edw mesa exei to kollhma tou egw me ta mikropolitika kai thn paok=
ara, o tranos me tis rwssides, o periklhs me ta fagwsima kai thn glwssa aut=
hn thn opoa egw tsekourwnw ka0hmerina oxi to psari, o thomas me ton skeboul=
h kai ton 0eo, o skeboulhs me ton thomas kai ton olympiako kai paei legwnta=
s...=20
bgainei o skeboulhs rixnei ena xontro mpineliki ston thomas bgainei o thoma=
s tou rixnei ena pisw egw ti xreiazomai se authn thn periptwsh?
Exw riksei ki gw ouk oliga kai exw faei ki egw, tetoia einai h Hellas twra =
0a thn ma0oume?
Mporw na pw me sigouria oti o Kastanas den prosferei kai polla sthn lista m=
ias kai ta misa tou mynhmata den ta katalabainw alla kai pali auth einai mi=
a proswpikh gnwmh, akomh kai an einai alh0eia se ti 0a xrhshmeue an egw emp=
ena tou erixna mpinelikia anti gia ton amesa 0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw =
kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)
Den einai loipon oti den mou kanei oute kryo oute zesth oute oti den exw eg=
w thn gnwmh gia auta pou diabazw kai krinw alla akomh ki an pw: re sy eisai=
malakas 0a ginei tipote? gi auto akomh kai brisies pou face to face 0a me =
estelnan sthn fylakh sto net tis psilo agnow kai tis apantaw sto idio epipe=
do. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me problhmatise edw mesa p=
olles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apo=
pseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafni=
ka pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai pio sobaro apo to na mou pei kapoios g=
amiete h mana sou, pou einai profanhs alh0eia etsi? Bebaia ela pesto mou k=
ata proswpo einai allo 0ema auto. eimaste mia hlektronikh koinwnia kai nomi=
zw oti ws tetoia diepete apo diaforetikous kanones auto yposthrizw egw...
Yparxoun oria sto internet? den kserw den eimai sigouros ki egw psaxnomai s=
e auto to 0ema......

Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, espe=
cially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
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Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:53:03 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
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An den eimaste emeis, h hellas, 15 atoma poy gnwrizomaste panw apo 10=20
xronia, koinothta online poios einai re pappoy? Den ka8omaste bebaia na=20
syzhtame ta proswpika mas edw mesa, alla dyo treis syzhthseis sobares 'h=
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gia na gelasoyme, tis kanoyme.
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To 8ema toy Kastana me tsatizei giati xronia, prose3e, oxi meres, oxi=20
mhnes, XRONIA, bgainei kai leei tis malakies toy sthn hellas otan to=20
8ymatai. De leei apolytws tipote allo. De symmetexei se tipote allo edw=20
mesa. Bgainei kai me prokalei, xwris kamia apolytws proklhsh dikh moy.=20
Kai otan men alloi to gamoysan to 8ema, h lista ('h toylaxiston enas 'h=20
dyo) ebgainan kai elegan mia koybenta, edw de milaei kaneis! Kai o=20
blakas, nomizontas oti ton pairnei, synexizei th malakia kai 8a th=20
synexizei oso ton pairnei. Oxi re Akh, de 8elw oyte perimenw na me=20
"yperaspistei" kaneis, giati eimai xontropetsos do3a tw 8ew, apla 8elw=20
na katalabw, KANEIS pia den endiaferetai na rwthsei ton Kastana poio to=20
kolhma toy mazi moy? 'H toylaxiston o,ti exei na to lysei me proswpika=20
mazi moy 'h sth lista toy 'h ston psyxiatro? Oxi pws me endiaferei=20
bebaia na "lysw" kanena "problhma" me ton Kastana, alla leme twra.
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Ti skata, pleon, prosferei se ayth th lista o hli8ios o Kastanas pera=20
apo to na bgainei, opote me 8ymatai, na me leei gyfto 'h kai gw den 3erw=
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ti allo xwris na ton exw prokalesei (giati den me endiaferei).
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Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta de=
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sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face=20
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy=20
Kastana, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,=20
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me=20
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Kastanas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti=20
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon=20
oloys edw mesa.
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SCD
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Spyro,
ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta to leei ki o Swthrhs poly=
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kai gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia retsina me to=20
palikari (den eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na=
=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
mpw se authn thn kontra....
Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para to gegonos oti=20
gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me enan allon mporei na=20
einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw mesa alla re s=
y=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
einai opws kai na to kanoume proswpiko...
Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia=20
apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou kai=
=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
exei mpei sto xronontoulapo alla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den=
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Post by Constantine Thomas
eimai kai 100% ti na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?
Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton=20
gnwrizw proswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane=20
tis asxhmies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous n=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
pe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw=
,=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
ainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou top=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
kai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan bre0oum=
e=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
proswpo me proswpo and i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh=20
opws kai na to kanoume prokeite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn=20
pws 0a mpei enas tritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na=
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Post by Constantine Thomas
pw kati sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine=20
mono ta mpinelikia eida...
Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet kai to web=20
exoun kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil=20
society alla egw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se=20
mia koinothta an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh po=
u=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
exw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allo=
n=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
apo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na er0oum=
e=20
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se epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn=20
gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arketous apo retsines se diafor=
a=20
Post by Constantine Thomas
merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... alla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola=
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Post by Constantine Thomas
kseperniete.... Katalabainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei=20
alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw mes=
a=20
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den mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia=20
hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...
sto katw katw to les kai monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5=20
gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a=20
allaze an egw (to blepw proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn=
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Post by Constantine Thomas
lista) as poume elega kastana eisai malakas?
telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw=
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la0os re paidia?
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Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed,=
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Post by Constantine Thomas
especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw =
pws
Post by Constantine Thomas
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspist=
ei
Post by Constantine Thomas
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.
L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na
pei kaneis.
SCD
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Koita nomizw oti den me katalabes<br>auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinoth=
tes online den einai koinothtes sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh=
einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...<br>To briskw dyskolo na milshsw gia ta pr=
oswpika ta opoia den einai gnwsta me leptomereies alla panw katw olloi to p=
iasane to yponooumeno,<br>to zhthma einai ti kaneis se authn thn periptwsh,=
nomizw h kalyterh apanthsh einai na ton agnoeis den ginete alliws <br>bgen=
eis les ena mpineliki pernaei h wra, to na les giati den lete eseis oi allo=
i kati den boh0aei esena (oxi oti xreizese boh0eia) alla oute thn lista <br=
o ka0enas edw mesa exei to kollhma tou egw me ta mikropolitika kai thn pao=
kara, o tranos me tis rwssides, o periklhs me ta fagwsima kai thn glwssa au=
thn thn opoa egw tsekourwnw ka0hmerina oxi to psari, o thomas me ton skebou=
lh kai ton 0eo, o skeboulhs me ton thomas kai ton olympiako kai paei legwnt=
as... <br>bgainei o skeboulhs rixnei ena xontro mpineliki ston thomas bgain=
ei o thomas tou rixnei ena pisw egw ti xreiazomai se authn thn periptwsh?<b=
r>Exw riksei ki gw ouk oliga kai exw faei ki egw, tetoia einai h Hellas twr=
a 0a thn ma0oume?<br>Mporw na pw me sigouria oti o Kastanas den prosferei k=
ai polla sthn lista mias kai ta misa tou mynhmata den ta katalabainw alla k=
ai pali auth einai mia proswpikh gnwmh, akomh kai an einai alh0eia se ti 0a=
xrhshmeue an egw empena tou erixna mpinelikia anti gia ton amesa 0igomeno?=
(oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono thn boh0eia mo=
u den xreiazese:-)<br>Den einai loipon oti den mou kanei oute kryo oute zes=
th oute oti den exw egw thn gnwmh gia auta pou diabazw kai krinw alla akomh=
ki an pw: re sy eisai malakas 0a ginei tipote? gi auto akomh kai brisies p=
ou face to face 0a me estelnan sthn fylakh sto net tis psilo agnow kai tis =
apantaw sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me p=
roblhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai prepei=
na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera epeixhrhmata=
h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai pio sobaro apo t=
o na mou pei kapoios gamiete h mana sou, pou einai profanhs alh0eia etsi?&n=
bsp; Bebaia ela pesto mou kata proswpo einai allo 0ema auto. eimaste mia hl=
ektronikh koinwnia kai nomizw oti ws tetoia diepete apo diaforetikous kanon=
es auto yposthrizw egw...<br>Yparxoun oria sto internet? den kserw den eima=
i sigouros ki egw psaxnomai se auto to 0ema......<br><br>Papous<br>"There a=
re no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, especially i=
f he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy<br>&nbsp;<br><br><=
br>&gt; Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:53:03 +0000<br>&gt; From: ***@DASKALEA=
S.COM<br>&gt; Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns<br>&gt; To: ***@LI=
STS.PSU.EDU<br>&gt; <br>&gt; An den eimaste emeis, h hellas, 15 atoma poy g=
nwrizomaste panw apo 10 <br>&gt; xronia, koinothta online poios einai re pa=
ppoy? Den ka8omaste bebaia na <br>&gt; syzhtame ta proswpika mas edw mesa, =
alla dyo treis syzhthseis sobares 'h <br>&gt; gia na gelasoyme, tis kanoyme=
.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; To 8ema toy Kastana me tsatizei giati xronia, prose3e, o=
xi meres, oxi <br>&gt; mhnes, XRONIA, bgainei kai leei tis malakies toy sth=
n hellas otan to <br>&gt; 8ymatai. De leei apolytws tipote allo. De symmete=
xei se tipote allo edw <br>&gt; mesa. Bgainei kai me prokalei, xwris kamia =
apolytws proklhsh dikh moy. <br>&gt; Kai otan men alloi to gamoysan to 8ema=
, h lista ('h toylaxiston enas 'h <br>&gt; dyo) ebgainan kai elegan mia koy=
benta, edw de milaei kaneis! Kai o <br>&gt; blakas, nomizontas oti ton pair=
nei, synexizei th malakia kai 8a th <br>&gt; synexizei oso ton pairnei. Oxi=
re Akh, de 8elw oyte perimenw na me <br>&gt; "yperaspistei" kaneis, giati =
eimai xontropetsos do3a tw 8ew, apla 8elw <br>&gt; na katalabw, KANEIS pia =
den endiaferetai na rwthsei ton Kastana poio to <br>&gt; kolhma toy mazi mo=
y? 'H toylaxiston o,ti exei na to lysei me proswpika <br>&gt; mazi moy 'h s=
th lista toy 'h ston psyxiatro? Oxi pws me endiaferei <br>&gt; bebaia na "l=
ysw" kanena "problhma" me ton Kastana, alla leme twra.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Ti =
skata, pleon, prosferei se ayth th lista o hli8ios o Kastanas pera <br>&gt;=
apo to na bgainei, opote me 8ymatai, na me leei gyfto 'h kai gw den 3erw <=
&gt; &gt; Spyro,<br>&gt; &gt; ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubent=
a to leei ki o Swthrhs poly <br>&gt; &gt; kai gia na pw tou strabou to diki=
o exw piei kai mia retsina me to <br>&gt; &gt; palikari (den eimoun kai sto=
n porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na <br>&gt; &gt; mpw se authn thn k=
ontra....<br>&gt; &gt; Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para=
to gegonos oti <br>&gt; &gt; gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei m=
e enan allon mporei na <br>&gt; &gt; einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei poll=
a ta matia mas edw mesa alla re sy <br>&gt; &gt; einai opws kai na to kanou=
me proswpiko...<br>&gt; &gt; Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxi=
se o kaugas eixa mia <br>&gt; &gt; apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hell=
as, bghka apo thn lista tou kai <br>&gt; &gt; exei mpei sto xronontoulapo a=
lla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou den <br>&gt; &gt; eimai kai 100% ti =
na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?<br>&gt; &gt; Kai gia ton filo ton s=
wthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton <br>&gt; &gt; gnwrizw proswpika=
, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane <br>&gt; &gt; tis asxh=
mies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos etous na <br>&gt; &=
gt; pe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti na pw=
, <br>&gt; &gt; ainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gami=
ete? tou topa <br>&gt; &gt; kai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti =
0a tou kanw otan bre0oume <br>&gt; &gt; proswpo me proswpo and i moved on).=
Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh <br>&gt; &gt; opws kai na to kanoume prok=
eite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn <br>&gt; &gt; pws 0a mpei enas t=
ritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na <br>&gt; &gt; pw kati =
sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine <br>&gt; &gt; =
mono ta mpinelikia eida...<br>&gt; &gt; Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti =
oi listes sto internet kai to web <br>&gt; &gt; exoun kanei ena global comm=
unity kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil <br>&gt; &gt; society alla egw den =
eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se <br>&gt; &gt; mia koinotht=
a an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h epafh pou <br>&gt; &gt; =
exw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton allon <b=
r>&gt; &gt; apo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume n=
a er0oume <br>&gt; &gt; se epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw g=
ia diafouros thn <br>&gt; &gt; gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arke=
tous apo retsines se diafora <br>&gt; &gt; merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... a=
lla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola <br>&gt; &gt; kseperniete.... Katala=
bainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei <br>&gt; &gt; alla etsi to b=
lepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw mesa <br>&gt; &gt; de=
n mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia <br>&gt;=
&gt; hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...<br>&gt; &gt; sto katw katw to les kai monos so=
u den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5 <br>&gt; &gt; gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo=
0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a <br>&gt; &gt; allaze an egw (to blep=
w proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous sthn <br>&gt; &gt; lista) as p=
oume elega kastana eisai malakas?<br>&gt; &gt; telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0=
ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw <br>&gt; &gt; la0os re paidia?<b=
r>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Papous<br>&gt; &gt; "There are no conditions of l=
ife to which a man cannot get accustomed, <br>&gt; &gt; especially if he se=
es them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &g=
t; <br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000<=
br>&gt; &gt; &gt; From: ***@DASKALEAS.COM<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Subject: R=
e: Statistika tns ekpaideusns<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU<b=
r>&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kami=
a, apla den mporw na katalabw pws<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; einai dynaton ENAS an8=
rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; alla ap=
la na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den<br>&gt; &gt; &=
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-11 20:30:01 UTC
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De 8elw agaph moy na "bre8ei mia lysh" pia. Exw prospa8hsei na
synennoh8w mazi soy, se listes 'h me proswpika alla profanws exeis
kapoia benteta mazi moy kai eisai pantelws anikanh na deis ena 8ema
antikeimenika. Edw den mporw na se boh8hsw, dystyxws. Se o,ti me afora
den exw kati na lysw, apla de se goystarw.

Diafora kamia den exw mazi soy, dhladh, apla de se paw. Otan syzhtas se
mia lista me kapoion panw apo deka xronia exeis dei kapoia shmeia toy
xarakthra toy (to na mhn einai ikanos na afhsei to parel8on px 'h to na
leei mono kakies otan anoigei to stoma toy 'h to na mhn exei ais8hsh toy
xioymor 'h akomh toy geloioy).

Gi'ayto to logo, 8ewrw pws ta sxolia soy einai basika pikroxola kai
sigoyra de nomizw pws yparxei kapoios edw mesa poy na 8ewrei pws otan
Oso gia tov Daskalea... Dev mporw va pw oti dev gelasa. Otav dnladn
sou >sumbaivouv auta pou o idios kaveis stous allous evoxleisai;

prokeitai gia kritikh 'h gia kati to opoio grafeis gia opoiondhpote allo
logo para gia to na me ekneyriseis.

Apo thn allh bebaia, kai gia na teleiwnw edw, posws me endiaferei h
gnwmh toy Moyrla 'h ths Lhdas 'h akomh kai toy papoy gia to pws
diabazontai 'h 8a mporoysan na ermhneytoyn ayta poy egrapses. Matia exw
kai diabazw, problhma katanohshs den exw, alla na soy pw thn alh8eia
akomh kai otan soy apantw, grammenh se exw basika giati gi'ayta zeis,
gia to mpoyroympoyroy kai thn anakatwsoyra, opote se dikaiologw mexri
enos shmeioy.

Ayta kai kala myala.

SCD
Re Oikonomidoy soy prokalei ekplh3h to oti moy rixneis mphxtes kai
antidrw?
Epeidn mazi milame kai xwria katalabaivomaste edw kai polla xrovia kai
epeidn 0elw pragmatika va bre0ei mia lusn s'autn tnv elleiyn suvevvonsns
giati me exei kourasei para polu, pes mou pou eides tis mpnxtes sto
mnvuma mou.
episns, av kai 3erw oti dev 0elei kavevas va avakateutei klp klp. sas
parakalw polu olous, av exete dia0esn, kavte mia avalusn sto mnvuma (gia
eukolia to para0etw sto telos) kai peite mou pou blepete mpnxtes,
diforoumeva 'n otidnpote sugkalummevo giati egw pisteuw oti eipa evtelws
3eka0ara o,ti eixa va pw kai ti sto kalo, av 3erw ti grafw, toulaxistov
va mou to peite.
Akn, Lnda, Feidia, mia pou ndn summetexetw sot thread, luste mou tnv
aporia giati profavws kati dev blepw sto grapto mou kai profavws auto to
kati dnmiourgei pare3ngnsn.
Avte, gia va sas deleasw, mia pou oloi sugkiveiste me ta mageirika,
opoios mpei stov kopo va mou lusei tnv aporia kai mou steilei me
proswpiko taxudromikn dieu0uvsn 0a tou steilw kaveva kilo tsagaki Earl
Grey 'n allo vtopio edesma/ rofnma.
Akn, sto 0ema pou e0teis 0a apavtnsw argotera, giait eivia a3io
avalusns. Lnda, mnv parapoviesai oti kavevas klp klp. To exoume
3avasuzntnsei to 0ema. O,ti eipa tote isxuei akoma.
Gia to av mas evdiaferei va rwtnsoume giati, exw va pw: Oxi, de me
evdiaferei, alla av oi amesa evdiaferomevoi 0elouv va mas pouv apo movoi
tous, peite mou va parw to popkorv kai va piasw mia kaln 0esn va dw to
0eama. Allwste, 0a elega oti trwgeste va ta peite.
Oso gia tov Daskalea... Dev mporw va pw oti dev gelasa. Otav dnladn sou
sumbaivouv auta pou o idios kaveis stous allous evoxleisai;
Kai toulaxistov, estw, as poume oti me tov gkast exete proswpikes
diafores pou dev tis 3eroume kai mpore va eivia polu sobares.
Me emeva ti proswpikes diafores exeis; Oute exoume koivous gvwstous,
oute se exw dei pote mou. Me to Feidia ti diafores exeis, pou omoiws dev
vomizw oti exete bre0ei pote 'n oti exete otidnpote koivo;
A, vai, kai va to mnvuma tou Daskalea me merikes dior0wseis, opws dnladn
Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta
de sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy
Daskalea, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Daskaleas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon
oloys edw mesa.
Sophia
2008-02-11 23:30:02 UTC
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Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai koinothtes
sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...
Swsto. Kai telika vomizw oti kai oi e3wlistikes sxeseis pou
avaptussovtai mesa apo listes eivai polu eukolo va dialu0ouv. Exw
gvwristei me kosmo apo tnv hellas proswpika, eixa kai sugkatoiko apo tnv
hellas kapoia epoxn. Alla dev ntav sxeseis pou kratnsav. Isws giati dev
eixame gvwristei sumbatika; Poios 3erei.

Twra otav sumbaovuv e3wlistika proswpika pou ta 3eroume meses akres, ki
av ta 3eroume ki olas, ti va peis; 0umamai p.x. tnv periptwsn Soulns-
Sourdn. Afou kavevas mas dev n3ere oute mporouse va 3erei ki olas, ti
givotav ektos listas, pws va exei apoyn gia o,ti givotav evtos listas,
pera apo to va sxoliazei auta pou eblepe kai tipota parapavw;

Pavtws, papou, oi ivtervetikes koivwvies pou les exouv evdiaferov gia
ekpaideutikous logous. Egw p.x mexri pou bre0nka stnv hellas dev eixa
skeftei pote oti mporei va uparxouv diaforoi trelloi ekei e3w, dev eixa
diapistwsei oti av0rwpoi pou eixav pava katw paideia me emeva 0a ntav
toso ma toso amorfwtoi kai vomiza oti oi MCP (male chauvinist pigs)
upnrxav kapou allou, se kapoio parallnlo sumpav. Omoiws kai
ellnvofavatikles, xristiavofavatikles klp klp. A, ki epeidn nmouva ndn
megalo paidi otav graftnka stnv hellas kai eixa dei pws zei o kosmos
parae3w, mallov to ivtervet eftaige pou mazeuei olous tous para3evous :-)
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono
thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)
A, vai, kati epi autou. Dev to lew gia momfn 'n otidnpote, alla pavtws
oses fores mou eipav "dev exeis avagkn va se bon0nsoume, ta bgazeis
pera" evvoousav "av se sumpa0ousa 0a se bon0ousa, alla de se xwveuw kai
de se bon0aw". Dev les auto edw pera, alla to avaferw giati mia fora sto
spiti suvlistobias eixa pei "ma pws avexeste tov [edw bale o,ti ovoma
0eleis] va me brizei etsi kai lete oti eisaste kai filoi mou" n apavtnsn
ntav autn akribws. Kai ligo kairo argotera n suvlistobia mou ekave mia
epi0esn 3egurismevn, mou ekoye tnv kalnmera KAI mou dnmiourgnse kai
problnmata ektos hellas, xwris va exw katalabei giati. Sumperasma:
mallov tns arese va me brizouv ki otav stamatnsav va to kavouv alloi
avelabe n idia.
Na, kati tetoious av0rwpous exw brei stis listes ki exw pa0ei tnv plaka
mou. Diproswpous. Giati omws; Ela vte!

Epipleov, wraia auta pou les peri mn- parembasns, alla kapou dev se
piavei to ais0nma dikaiosuvns; 'H ki auto dev to exouv oloi stis idies
posotntes; Egw ama blepw va adikeitai kapoios mou avebaivei n piesn.
Fusika to poios adikeitai kai pws eivai upokeimeviko, alla dev exw
distasei va mplextw se kabgades kai va uperaspizomai kosmo, giati etsi.
Giati mou faivetai oti adikouvtai.
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me
problhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai
prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera
epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai
Autn eivai telika n prosfora tns suzntnsns. Kai lupamai pou dev exoume
perissoteres suzntnseis opws paliotera pou nmastav perissoteroi. Giati
egw toulaxistov exw ma0ei polla edw mesa, exw dei pragmata apo polles
skopies klp klp.
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-11 23:30:03 UTC
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Akh arxisa na grafw kati, prin asxolh8w me ayta me ta opoia asxolh8hka
dhladh, alla ta esbhsa. To gegonos einai oti exeis dikio.

SCD
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
Koita nomizw oti den me katalabes
auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai koinothtes
sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...
To briskw dyskolo na milshsw gia ta proswpika ta opoia den einai gnwsta
me leptomereies alla panw katw olloi to piasane to yponooumeno,
to zhthma einai ti kaneis se authn thn periptwsh, nomizw h kalyterh
apanthsh einai na ton agnoeis den ginete alliws
bgeneis les ena mpineliki pernaei h wra, to na les giati den lete eseis
oi alloi kati den boh0aei esena (oxi oti xreizese boh0eia) alla oute thn
lista
o ka0enas edw mesa exei to kollhma tou egw me ta mikropolitika kai thn
paokara, o tranos me tis rwssides, o periklhs me ta fagwsima kai thn
glwssa authn thn opoa egw tsekourwnw ka0hmerina oxi to psari, o thomas
me ton skeboulh kai ton 0eo, o skeboulhs me ton thomas kai ton olympiako
kai paei legwntas...
bgainei o skeboulhs rixnei ena xontro mpineliki ston thomas bgainei o
thomas tou rixnei ena pisw egw ti xreiazomai se authn thn periptwsh?
Exw riksei ki gw ouk oliga kai exw faei ki egw, tetoia einai h Hellas
twra 0a thn ma0oume?
Mporw na pw me sigouria oti o Kastanas den prosferei kai polla sthn
lista mias kai ta misa tou mynhmata den ta katalabainw alla kai pali
auth einai mia proswpikh gnwmh, akomh kai an einai alh0eia se ti 0a
xrhshmeue an egw empena tou erixna mpinelikia anti gia ton amesa
0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono
thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)
Den einai loipon oti den mou kanei oute kryo oute zesth oute oti den exw
egw thn gnwmh gia auta pou diabazw kai krinw alla akomh ki an pw: re sy
eisai malakas 0a ginei tipote? gi auto akomh kai brisies pou face to
face 0a me estelnan sthn fylakh sto net tis psilo agnow kai tis apantaw
sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me
problhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai
prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera
epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai
pio sobaro apo to na mou pei kapoios gamiete h mana sou, pou einai
profanhs alh0eia etsi? Bebaia ela pesto mou kata proswpo einai allo
0ema auto. eimaste mia hlektronikh koinwnia kai nomizw oti ws tetoia
diepete apo diaforetikous kanones auto yposthrizw egw...
Yparxoun oria sto internet? den kserw den eimai sigouros ki egw
psaxnomai se auto to 0ema......
Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed,
especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:53:03 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
An den eimaste emeis, h hellas, 15 atoma poy gnwrizomaste panw apo 10
xronia, koinothta online poios einai re pappoy? Den ka8omaste bebaia na
syzhtame ta proswpika mas edw mesa, alla dyo treis syzhthseis sobares 'h
gia na gelasoyme, tis kanoyme.
To 8ema toy Kastana me tsatizei giati xronia, prose3e, oxi meres, oxi
mhnes, XRONIA, bgainei kai leei tis malakies toy sthn hellas otan to
8ymatai. De leei apolytws tipote allo. De symmetexei se tipote allo edw
mesa. Bgainei kai me prokalei, xwris kamia apolytws proklhsh dikh moy.
Kai otan men alloi to gamoysan to 8ema, h lista ('h toylaxiston enas 'h
dyo) ebgainan kai elegan mia koybenta, edw de milaei kaneis! Kai o
blakas, nomizontas oti ton pairnei, synexizei th malakia kai 8a th
synexizei oso ton pairnei. Oxi re Akh, de 8elw oyte perimenw na me
"yperaspistei" kaneis, giati eimai xontropetsos do3a tw 8ew, apla 8elw
na katalabw, KANEIS pia den endiaferetai na rwthsei ton Kastana poio to
kolhma toy mazi moy? 'H toylaxiston o,ti exei na to lysei me proswpika
mazi moy 'h sth lista toy 'h ston psyxiatro? Oxi pws me endiaferei
bebaia na "lysw" kanena "problhma" me ton Kastana, alla leme twra.
Ti skata, pleon, prosferei se ayth th lista o hli8ios o Kastanas pera
apo to na bgainei, opote me 8ymatai, na me leei gyfto 'h kai gw den 3erw
ti allo xwris na ton exw prokalesei (giati den me endiaferei).
Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta de
sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy
Kastana, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Kastanas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon
oloys edw mesa.
SCD
Post by Constantine Thomas
Spyro,
ayto to den bghke kanenas na pei mia koubenta to leei ki o Swthrhs
poly
Post by Constantine Thomas
kai gia na pw tou strabou to dikio exw piei kai mia retsina me to
palikari (den eimoun kai ston porky opote) alla den mou paei gamwto na
mpw se authn thn kontra....
Prepei isws na katalabeis gia enan an0rwpo, pou para to gegonos oti
gnwrizwmanaste pshfiaka xronia, pou malwnei me enan allon mporei na
einai kati poly sobaros exoun dei polla ta matia mas edw mesa alla
re sy
Post by Constantine Thomas
einai opws kai na to kanoume proswpiko...
Ma bgw egw kai na pw tou kastana ti? Otan arxise o kaugas eixa mia
apofash na parw thn lista tou h thn hellas, bghka apo thn lista tou
kai
Post by Constantine Thomas
exei mpei sto xronontoulapo alla gia mia fash teleiws proswpikh pou
den
Post by Constantine Thomas
eimai kai 100% ti na pw h o ka0e enas edw mesa ti na pei?
Kai gia ton filo ton swthrh to idio symbainei, para pou auton ton
gnwrizw proswpika, kai pistepse me stenaxwrh0hka otan o asteras ekane
tis asxhmies tou (allwste eixe pei kapote sto gio mou tote enos
etous na
Post by Constantine Thomas
pe0anei alla tetoios malakas einai tetoies malakies leei) alla ti
na pw,
Post by Constantine Thomas
ainte gamhsou re astera? giati autos den to kserei oti gamiete? tou
topa
Post by Constantine Thomas
kai kselafrwsa (ekana ki ena mikro sxediaki ti 0a tou kanw otan
bre0oume
Post by Constantine Thomas
proswpo me proswpo and i moved on). Ma auth einai mia pshfiakh sxesh
opws kai na to kanoume prokeite peri koumpiwn kai agnwstwn tautothtwn
pws 0a mpei enas tritos sthn mesh kai ti na pei? 0a mporousa arage na
pw kati sthn fash me thn Bea kai ton xrhsto? Den skerw kan ti egine
mono ta mpinelikia eida...
Mporei loipon o Putnam na leei oti oi listes sto internet kai to web
exoun kanei ena global community kai auksanoun auto pou leme civil
society alla egw den eimai kai toso sigouros, giati nai men anoikw se
mia koinothta an0rwpwn (elpizw panta etsi) alla apo thn allh h
epafh pou
Post by Constantine Thomas
exw mazi tous einai synh0ws epifaneiakh san na blepoume o enas ton
allon
Post by Constantine Thomas
apo gyalina klubia (bloume ti kinhseis mas alla den mpouroume na
er0oume
Post by Constantine Thomas
se epafh....koinwnia einai auth na xesw mesa? Exw gia diafouros thn
gnwmh mou edw mesa ki exw synathsei kai arketous apo retsines se
diafora
Post by Constantine Thomas
merh mexri diadhlwseis kai ... alla to digitization ths sxeshs dyskola
kseperniete.... Katalabainw isws oti auto pou lew isws den se pei0ei
alla etsi to blepw, pes me malaka ti na pw, exoun ginei diafora edw
mesa
Post by Constantine Thomas
den mporw omws na pw oti 0a perimena na kati parapanw apo mia tetoia
hmi-an0rwpinh sxesh...
sto katw katw to les kai monos sou den ton goustarw tou rixnw 5
gamwstarua kai teleiwnei h ypo0esh ti allo 0a h0eles na ginei? ti 0a
allaze an egw (to blepw proswpika an kai isws anaferese se pollous
sthn
Post by Constantine Thomas
lista) as poume elega kastana eisai malakas?
telos pantws nomizw oti ws 0ema einai isws kalo gia syzhthsh, to blepw
la0os re paidia?
Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed,
especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:00:49 +0000
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na
katalabw pws
Post by Constantine Thomas
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me
yperaspistei
Post by Constantine Thomas
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.
L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na
pei kaneis.
SCD
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iannis
2008-02-12 00:30:01 UTC
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lida anestidou
2008-02-12 02:30:02 UTC
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Oxi, Giannh, den exw 3exasei tipote. Alla, otan
diabazw th Sofia pou grafei "Lhda, mh paraponiesai pou
klpklp", ta pairnw kai de 8elw na grapsw tipote. Giati
ola erxontai pali sthn epifaneia kai de 8elw na
8umamai ta skata tou papada kai tou gabrielatou kai
ths lamprinhs kai tou kwnstantinidh, giati opote thn
3ananaferw akouw ta idia, pou lene "get over it" h "mh
anaferete edw mesa an8rwpous pou den einai pia"....


epeidh kahka poly, ma para poly, den exw oute upomonh
na asxoloumai otan ta pa8ainoun alloi oute compassion
mou exei meinei. 8a brisw otan 3eperasei kapoios ta
oria giati oi dikes mou arxes prosbalontai ane3arthta
se poio stratopedo einai (opws, px, ton Astera gia thn
korh tou Spurou kai as mou ekan o Spuros tote th zwh
duskolh), alla epapsa pia na enoxloumai me tis
elastikes suneidhseis twn upoloipwn.

einai eirwniko oti ais8anetai o spuros kunhghmenos,
opws ekane o idios na aistan8oun alloi (oxi bebaia sto
ba8mo tou degkast), alla se diabebaiw oti den to
euxaristiemai ka8olou (exoun perasei pragmati 2-3
xronia pou yparxei pare dwse tetoio?). Kai ais8anomai
oti yparxei pollh sukofantia se auth thn upo8esh, kati
pou me kanei na trabiemai makria me xilia....


L.
Spuro, tnv 3avaxame autn tnv koubevta priv peripou
eva xrovo.
Sta palia xrovia tns listas otav kapoios elege
malakies bgaivave
merikoi kai tov ekrazav. Isws oxi osoi eprepe,
pavtws apotelesma dev
upnrxe. To eixa kavei ki egw palia otav brizosouva
me tn Sophia, to
eixa kavei me tov Astera, to eixa kavei gia tn Lnda
(de 0umamai av
ntav me tov Papada n me kapoiov allo, allwste
ap'o,ti faivetai ki n
Lnda to'xei 3exasei, alla milas gia xrovia epi0esn,
autn pou dexotav n
Lnda ntav polu pio makroxrovia). Kai priv 2-3 xrovia
otav 3ekivnse o
Kastavas me seva tou eixa grayei oti to movo pou
kavei eivai va
geloiopoieitai kai va to koyei. Ki otav o Feidias
rixtnke stn Bea
episns eixa grayei.
Lhda


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Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, especially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy


Esbnsa ta alla giati dev uparxei evdiaferov, pera apo to kollnma me tov mPAOK, pou pragmatika xrnzei diereuvnsns (O epomevos propovntns sas les va eivai o Ferer?):-D
Uparxouv oria sto internet, arkei va ta 8esw EGW !!!

Pera apo tnv plaka, suvexise esu tis avtapokriseis apo HPA va ma8aivoume ti paizei ekei pera, giati edw eimaste me kasetes kai DVD.

Dnmntrns


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Blepw esy akomh elpizeis:-)

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Feb 2008 08:56:10 -0800<br>&gt; From: ***@YAHOO.COM<br>&gt; Subjec=
t: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns<br>&gt; To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU<br>&gt; = <br>&gt; --- Akis KALAITZIDIS &lt;***@MSN.COM&gt; wrote:<br>&gt=
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alla 0a exei akomh pio plaka an kerdisei auth thn
virginia kai o mpamias to maryland
ekei na deis xalabe:-)
etsi akribws 8a ginei. ta neura mas....

L.



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Se pianw adiabasto Dhmhtrh mou
o megas filosofos Zourarhs exei pei to eksei:
emeis geniomaste paok opws oi alloi geniountai kwfalaloi=20
synepws den einai kai megalo to mysthrio genetiko einai to problhma:-))))
Oso gia thn antapokrish shmera 0a exei plaka amma kerdisei o Obamas thn tri=
fecta=20
giati meta a0 einai poly duskolo gia thn Xilary an anakmpsei
alla 0a exei akomh pio plaka an kerdisei auth thn virginia kai o mpamias to=
maryland
ekei na deis xalabe:-)

Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, espe=
cially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:45:01 -0800
From: ***@YAHOO.COM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU

Me tnv prwtn protasn dev evvoousa oti auta pou grafovtai stn lista dev eiva=
i evdiaferovta, apla dev kollousav me auta pou egraya stov papou.

Auta pros apofugn pare3ngnsns,

Dnmntrns

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***@MSN.COM> wrote: Yparxoun oria sto internet? den kserw den eimai sig=
ouros ki egw psaxnomai se auto to 0ema......

Papous
"There are no conditions of life to which a man cannot get accustomed, espe=
cially if he sees them accepted by everyone around him." Tolstoy
=20

Esbnsa ta alla giati dev
uparxei evdiaferov, pera apo to kollnma me tov mPAOK, pou pragmatika xrnze=
i diereuvnsns (O epomevos propovntns sas les va eivai o Ferer?):-D
Uparxouv oria sto internet, arkei va ta 8esw EGW !!!

Pera apo tnv plaka, suvexise esu tis avtapokriseis apo HPA va ma8aivoume ti=
paizei ekei pera, giati edw eimaste me kasetes kai DVD.

Dnmntrns
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Se pianw adiabasto Dhmhtrh mou<br>o megas filosofos Zourarhs exei pei to ek=
sei:<br>emeis geniomaste paok opws oi alloi geniountai kwfalaloi <br>synepw=
s den einai kai megalo to mysthrio genetiko einai to problhma:-))))<br>Oso =
gia thn antapokrish shmera 0a exei plaka amma kerdisei o Obamas thn trifect=
a <br>giati meta a0 einai poly duskolo gia thn Xilary an anakmpsei<br>alla =
0a exei akomh pio plaka an kerdisei auth thn virginia kai o mpamias to mary=
land<br>ekei na deis xalabe:-)<br><br>Papous<br>"There are no conditions of=
life to which a man cannot get accustomed, especially if he sees them acce=
pted by everyone around him." Tolstoy<br>&nbsp;<br><br><br><blockquote><hr>=
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2008 04:45:01 -0800<br>From: ***@YAHOO.COM<br>Subject=
: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns<br>To: ***@LISTS.PSU.EDU<br><br>Me tnv =
prwtn protasn dev evvoousa oti auta pou grafovtai stn lista dev eivai evdia=
ferovta, apla dev kollousav me auta pou egraya stov papou.<br><br>Auta pros=
apofugn pare3ngnsns,<br><br>Dnmntrns<br><br><b><i>Dimitri Kokoromytis &lt;=
***@YAHOO.COM&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"EC_replbq" style=
=3D"margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <b><i>Akis KALAITZIDIS &lt;akisk=
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xnomai se auto to 0ema......<br><br>Papous<br>"There are no conditions of l=
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ed by everyone around him." Tolstoy<br>&nbsp;<br><br></blockquote>Esbnsa ta=
alla giati dev
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i diereuvnsns (O epomevos propovntns sas les va eivai o Ferer?):-D<br>Uparx=
ouv oria sto internet, arkei va ta 8esw EGW !!!<br><br>Pera apo tnv plaka, =
suvexise esu tis avtapokriseis apo HPA va ma8aivoume ti paizei ekei pera, g=
iati edw eimaste me kasetes kai DVD.<br><br>Dnmntrns<br><div> </div>=
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Pwpw twra sygkinh8hka. O Kastanas poy sta yahoo ebrize kai koro.i.deye
thn Oikonomidoy ths prosferei ton wmo toy twra. 8ee moy ti sygkinhtiko!

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SCD
Gegovos oti meros apo tnv avagoyla poy moy prokalei o gyftos exei va
kavei me tnv xydaia toy symperifora, idiws pros eseva.
Bebaia eivai mataio va pame va ta 3exwrisoyme, ola ayta, logia kai
pra3eis... eivai ta diafora proswpa tns gyftias kai tns mikrotntos.
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai
koinothtes
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta
kalwdia...
Swsto. Kai telika vomizw oti kai oi e3wlistikes sxeseis pou
avaptussovtai mesa apo listes eivai polu eukolo va dialu0ouv. Exw
gvwristei me kosmo apo tnv hellas proswpika, eixa kai sugkatoiko apo
tnv
hellas kapoia epoxn. Alla dev ntav sxeseis pou kratnsav. Isws giati dev
eixame gvwristei sumbatika; Poios 3erei.
Twra otav sumbaovuv e3wlistika proswpika pou ta 3eroume meses akres, ki
av ta 3eroume ki olas, ti va peis; 0umamai p.x. tnv periptwsn Soulns-
Sourdn. Afou kavevas mas dev n3ere oute mporouse va 3erei ki olas, ti
givotav ektos listas, pws va exei apoyn gia o,ti givotav evtos listas,
pera apo to va sxoliazei auta pou eblepe kai tipota parapavw;
Pavtws, papou, oi ivtervetikes koivwvies pou les exouv evdiaferov gia
ekpaideutikous logous. Egw p.x mexri pou bre0nka stnv hellas dev eixa
skeftei pote oti mporei va uparxouv diaforoi trelloi ekei e3w, dev eixa
diapistwsei oti av0rwpoi pou eixav pava katw paideia me emeva 0a ntav
toso ma toso amorfwtoi kai vomiza oti oi MCP (male chauvinist pigs)
upnrxav kapou allou, se kapoio parallnlo sumpav. Omoiws kai
ellnvofavatikles, xristiavofavatikles klp klp. A, ki epeidn nmouva ndn
megalo paidi otav graftnka stnv hellas kai eixa dei pws zei o kosmos
parae3w, mallov to ivtervet eftaige pou mazeuei olous tous
para3evous :-)
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy
mono
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)
A, vai, kati epi autou. Dev to lew gia momfn 'n otidnpote, alla pavtws
oses fores mou eipav "dev exeis avagkn va se bon0nsoume, ta bgazeis
pera" evvoousav "av se sumpa0ousa 0a se bon0ousa, alla de se xwveuw kai
de se bon0aw". Dev les auto edw pera, alla to avaferw giati mia fora
sto
spiti suvlistobias eixa pei "ma pws avexeste tov [edw bale o,ti ovoma
0eleis] va me brizei etsi kai lete oti eisaste kai filoi mou" n
apavtnsn
ntav autn akribws. Kai ligo kairo argotera n suvlistobia mou ekave mia
epi0esn 3egurismevn, mou ekoye tnv kalnmera KAI mou dnmiourgnse kai
mallov tns arese va me brizouv ki otav stamatnsav va to kavouv alloi
avelabe n idia.
Na, kati tetoious av0rwpous exw brei stis listes ki exw pa0ei tnv plaka
mou. Diproswpous. Giati omws; Ela vte!
Epipleov, wraia auta pou les peri mn- parembasns, alla kapou dev se
piavei to ais0nma dikaiosuvns; 'H ki auto dev to exouv oloi stis idies
posotntes; Egw ama blepw va adikeitai kapoios mou avebaivei n piesn.
Fusika to poios adikeitai kai pws eivai upokeimeviko, alla dev exw
distasei va mplextw se kabgades kai va uperaspizomai kosmo, giati etsi.
Giati mou faivetai oti adikouvtai.
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sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me
problhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths
kai
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera
epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto
einai
Autn eivai telika n prosfora tns suzntnsns. Kai lupamai pou dev exoume
perissoteres suzntnseis opws paliotera pou nmastav perissoteroi. Giati
egw toulaxistov exw ma0ei polla edw mesa, exw dei pragmata apo polles
skopies klp klp.
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Gegovos oti meros apo tnv avagoyla poy moy prokalei o gyftos exei va kavei me tnv xydaia toy symperifora, idiws pros eseva.

Bebaia eivai mataio va pame va ta 3exwrisoyme, ola ayta, logia kai pra3eis... eivai ta diafora proswpa tns gyftias kai tns mikrotntos.
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai koinothtes
sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...
Swsto. Kai telika vomizw oti kai oi e3wlistikes sxeseis pou
avaptussovtai mesa apo listes eivai polu eukolo va dialu0ouv. Exw
gvwristei me kosmo apo tnv hellas proswpika, eixa kai sugkatoiko apo tnv
hellas kapoia epoxn. Alla dev ntav sxeseis pou kratnsav. Isws giati dev
eixame gvwristei sumbatika; Poios 3erei.

Twra otav sumbaovuv e3wlistika proswpika pou ta 3eroume meses akres, ki
av ta 3eroume ki olas, ti va peis; 0umamai p.x. tnv periptwsn Soulns-
Sourdn. Afou kavevas mas dev n3ere oute mporouse va 3erei ki olas, ti
givotav ektos listas, pws va exei apoyn gia o,ti givotav evtos listas,
pera apo to va sxoliazei auta pou eblepe kai tipota parapavw;

Pavtws, papou, oi ivtervetikes koivwvies pou les exouv evdiaferov gia
ekpaideutikous logous. Egw p.x mexri pou bre0nka stnv hellas dev eixa
skeftei pote oti mporei va uparxouv diaforoi trelloi ekei e3w, dev eixa
diapistwsei oti av0rwpoi pou eixav pava katw paideia me emeva 0a ntav
toso ma toso amorfwtoi kai vomiza oti oi MCP (male chauvinist pigs)
upnrxav kapou allou, se kapoio parallnlo sumpav. Omoiws kai
ellnvofavatikles, xristiavofavatikles klp klp. A, ki epeidn nmouva ndn
megalo paidi otav graftnka stnv hellas kai eixa dei pws zei o kosmos
parae3w, mallov to ivtervet eftaige pou mazeuei olous tous para3evous :-)
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono
thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)
A, vai, kati epi autou. Dev to lew gia momfn 'n otidnpote, alla pavtws
oses fores mou eipav "dev exeis avagkn va se bon0nsoume, ta bgazeis
pera" evvoousav "av se sumpa0ousa 0a se bon0ousa, alla de se xwveuw kai
de se bon0aw". Dev les auto edw pera, alla to avaferw giati mia fora sto
spiti suvlistobias eixa pei "ma pws avexeste tov [edw bale o,ti ovoma
0eleis] va me brizei etsi kai lete oti eisaste kai filoi mou" n apavtnsn
ntav autn akribws. Kai ligo kairo argotera n suvlistobia mou ekave mia
epi0esn 3egurismevn, mou ekoye tnv kalnmera KAI mou dnmiourgnse kai
problnmata ektos hellas, xwris va exw katalabei giati. Sumperasma:
mallov tns arese va me brizouv ki otav stamatnsav va to kavouv alloi
avelabe n idia.
Na, kati tetoious av0rwpous exw brei stis listes ki exw pa0ei tnv plaka
mou. Diproswpous. Giati omws; Ela vte!

Epipleov, wraia auta pou les peri mn- parembasns, alla kapou dev se
piavei to ais0nma dikaiosuvns; 'H ki auto dev to exouv oloi stis idies
posotntes; Egw ama blepw va adikeitai kapoios mou avebaivei n piesn.
Fusika to poios adikeitai kai pws eivai upokeimeviko, alla dev exw
distasei va mplextw se kabgades kai va uperaspizomai kosmo, giati etsi.
Giati mou faivetai oti adikouvtai.
Post by Akis KALAITZIDIS
sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me
problhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai
prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera
epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai
Autn eivai telika n prosfora tns suzntnsns. Kai lupamai pou dev exoume
perissoteres suzntnseis opws paliotera pou nmastav perissoteroi. Giati
egw toulaxistov exw ma0ei polla edw mesa, exw dei pragmata apo polles
skopies klp klp.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <br><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Gegovos oti meros apo tnv avagoyla poy moy prokalei o gyftos exei va kavei me tnv xydaia toy symperifora, idiws pros eseva.&nbsp; <br><br>Bebaia eivai mataio va pame va ta 3exwrisoyme, ola ayta, logia kai pra3eis... eivai ta diafora proswpa tns gyftias kai tns mikrotntos.<br><br></span><br><br><b><i>Sophia &lt;***@SAPIENCE.FREESERVE.CO.UK&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Kai auta pou uposxe0nka va sxoliasw tou Akn:<br><br>Akis KALAITZIDIS wrote:<br>&gt; auto pou eipa egw einai oti oi koinothtes online den einai koinothtes <br>&gt; sthn pragmatikothta giati h ar0rwpinh sxesh einai mediated apo ta kalwdia...<br><br>Swsto. Kai telika vomizw oti kai oi e3wlistikes sxeseis pou <br>avaptussovtai mesa apo listes eivai polu eukolo va dialu0ouv. Exw <br>gvwristei me kosmo apo tnv hellas proswpika, eixa kai sugkatoiko apo tnv <br>hellas kapoia
epoxn. Alla dev ntav sxeseis pou kratnsav. Isws giati dev <br>eixame gvwristei sumbatika; Poios 3erei.<br><br>Twra otav sumbaovuv e3wlistika proswpika pou ta 3eroume meses akres, ki <br>av ta 3eroume ki olas, ti va peis; 0umamai p.x. tnv periptwsn Soulns- <br>Sourdn. Afou kavevas mas dev n3ere oute mporouse va 3erei ki olas, ti <br>givotav ektos listas, pws va exei apoyn gia o,ti givotav evtos listas, <br>pera apo to va sxoliazei auta pou eblepe kai tipota parapavw;<br><br>Pavtws, papou, oi ivtervetikes koivwvies pou les exouv evdiaferov gia <br>ekpaideutikous logous. Egw p.x mexri pou bre0nka stnv hellas dev eixa <br>skeftei pote oti mporei va uparxouv diaforoi trelloi ekei e3w, dev eixa <br>diapistwsei oti av0rwpoi pou eixav pava katw paideia me emeva 0a ntav <br>toso ma toso amorfwtoi kai vomiza oti oi MCP (male chauvinist pigs) <br>upnrxav kapou allou, se kapoio parallnlo sumpav. Omoiws kai <br>ellnvofavatikles, xristiavofavatikles klp klp. A, ki epeidn nmouva ndn <br>megalo paidi otav graftnka stnv hellas kai eixa dei pws zei o kosmos <br>parae3w, mallov to ivtervet eftaige pou mazeuei olous tous para3evous :-)<br><br>&gt; 0igomeno? (oxi oti den to exw kanei se alles periptwsei alla esy mono <br>&gt; thn boh0eia mou den xreiazese:-)<br><br>A, vai, kati epi autou. Dev to lew gia momfn 'n otidnpote, alla pavtws <br>oses fores mou eipav "dev exeis avagkn va se bon0nsoume, ta bgazeis <br>pera" evvoousav "av se sumpa0ousa 0a se bon0ousa, alla de se xwveuw kai <br>de se bon0aw". Dev les auto edw pera, alla to avaferw giati mia fora sto <br>spiti suvlistobias eixa pei "ma pws avexeste tov [edw bale o,ti ovoma <br>0eleis] va me brizei etsi kai lete oti eisaste kai filoi mou" n apavtnsn <br>ntav autn akribws. Kai ligo kairo argotera n suvlistobia mou ekave mia <br>epi0esn 3egurismevn, mou ekoye tnv kalnmera KAI mou dnmiourgnse kai <br>problnmata ektos hellas, xwris va exw katalabei giati. Sumperasma: <br>mallov tns arese va me brizouv ki
otav stamatnsav va to kavouv alloi <br>avelabe n idia.<br>Na, kati tetoious av0rwpous exw brei stis listes ki exw pa0ei tnv plaka <br>mou. Diproswpous. Giati omws; Ela vte!<br><br>Epipleov, wraia auta pou les peri mn- parembasns, alla kapou dev se <br>piavei to ais0nma dikaiosuvns; 'H ki auto dev to exouv oloi stis idies <br>posotntes; Egw ama blepw va adikeitai kapoios mou avebaivei n piesn. <br>Fusika to poios adikeitai kai pws eivai upokeimeviko, alla dev exw <br>distasei va mplextw se kabgades kai va uperaspizomai kosmo, giati etsi. <br>Giati mou faivetai oti adikouvtai.<br><br>&gt; sto idio epipedo. Gia na sou dwsw na katalabeis auto pou emena me <br>&gt; problhmatise edw mesa polles fores einai otan kanw kapoia syzhths kai <br>&gt; prepei na ana0ewrhsw tis apopseis epeidh kapoios allos exei kalytera <br>&gt; epeixhrhmata h telos pantwn ksafnika pisteuw oti exw adiko, auto einai <br><br>Autn eivai telika n prosfora tns suzntnsns. Kai lupamai pou dev exoume <br>perissoteres suzntnseis opws paliotera pou nmastav perissoteroi. Giati <br>egw toulaxistov exw ma0ei polla edw mesa, exw dei pragmata apo polles <br>skopies klp klp.<br><br>-- <br> ###### ### ### # ### # ___<br># # # # # # # # # # &lt;*,-&gt;<br># # # # # # # # # # [`-'] H ev tn pura elaiov riptousa<br> ### ### ### ## ### # -"-"-<br> #<br> #<br></blockquote><br><p>&#32;
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2008-02-12 19:30:01 UTC
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2008-02-12 22:30:01 UTC
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lida anestidou
2008-02-10 20:30:01 UTC
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ti periergo....emena de me para3eneuei ka8olou.

L.
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den
mporw na katalabw pws
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi
na me yperaspistei
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei
mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
Lhda


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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-10 20:30:00 UTC
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Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw pws
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me yperaspistei
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.

Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.

SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis.
L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson
kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na
pei kaneis.
SCD
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2008-02-10 20:30:01 UTC
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-10 20:30:01 UTC
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De se para3eneyei epeidh den 3ereis ti synebh.

Alloi 3eroyn KAI OMWS siwpoyn.

Filia kai kalh sas nyxta.

SCD
Post by lida anestidou
ti periergo....emena de me para3eneuei ka8olou.
L.
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den
mporw na katalabw pws
einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi
na me yperaspistei
alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei
mazi moy kai den
asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
Lhda
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lida anestidou
2008-02-10 20:30:01 UTC
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de me para3eneuei giati ETSI adiaforoi htan panta oi
perissoetroi edw mesa, enas ek twn opoiwn gia polla
xronia hsoun kai su.

panta uphr3an an8rwpoi pou 3erane kai siwpousan se
ka8e xronia sugkroush. to diko sou den einai,
dustyxws, tipote to kainourgio.

Lupamai pou katafernei enas toso pasifanws geloios
an8rwpos na sou pata ta koumpia sou.

L.
Post by Spyros Daskaleas
De se para3eneyei epeidh den 3ereis ti synebh.
Alloi 3eroyn KAI OMWS siwpoyn.
Filia kai kalh sas nyxta.
SCD
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-10 21:30:01 UTC
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Ilias Kast
2008-02-10 22:30:01 UTC
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Sophia
2008-02-11 15:30:01 UTC
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Akn, sto 0ema pou e0teis 0a apavtnsw argotera, giait eivia a3io avalusns.

Lnda, mnv parapoviesai oti kavevas klp klp. To exoume 3avasuzntnsei to
0ema. O,ti eipa tote isxuei akoma.

Gia to av mas evdiaferei va rwtnsoume giati, exw va pw: Oxi, de me
evdiaferei, alla av oi amesa evdiaferomevoi 0elouv va mas pouv apo movoi
tous, peite mou va parw to popkorv kai va piasw mia kaln 0esn va dw to
0eama. Allwste, 0a elega oti trwgeste va ta peite.

Oso gia tov Daskalea... Dev mporw va pw oti dev gelasa. Otav dnladn sou
sumbaivouv auta pou o idios kaveis stous allous evoxleisai;

Kai toulaxistov, estw, as poume oti me tov gkast exete proswpikes
diafores pou dev tis 3eroume kai mpore va eivia polu sobares.
Me emeva ti proswpikes diafores exeis; Oute exoume koivous gvwstous,
oute se exw dei pote mou. Me to Feidia ti diafores exeis, pou omoiws dev
vomizw oti exete bre0ei pote 'n oti exete otidnpote koivo;

A, vai, kai va to mnvuma tou Daskalea me merikes dior0wseis, opws dnladn
Post by Spyros Daskaleas
Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta de
sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy
Daskalea, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Daskaleas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon
oloys edw mesa.
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Spyros Daskaleas
2008-02-11 19:30:01 UTC
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Re Oikonomidoy soy prokalei ekplh3h to oti moy rixneis mphxtes kai
antidrw? Kala de lew na pareis xapi na hremhseis alla toylaxiston ena
xamomhli de 8a soy ekane kako, ti na pw.

Xairomai poy ma8ainw oti phgaineis se psyxanalyth pantws. Elpizw na toy
milas poly gia mena kai gia to kako poy soy'xw kanei. Oxi, didaktoriko
exeis (ti to kaneis bebaia den 3erw alla telos pantwn), alla
skatoxarakthras eisai kai ayto soy to lew me pollh storgh ki agaph
bebaia. Twra gia to an eisai xontrh kai asxhmh ti na pw, se kati fwto
soy poy mas estelnes sth lista toy Malaka (na to grapsw kai me kefalaio)
e xontrh kai asxhmomoyra eisai, EGW ftaiw kai gi'ayto re sy!?

Polla filia opws panta, o dikos moy o psyxanalyths pantws leei pws
basika o anekplhrwtos erwtas gia sena einai poy me kanei etsi alhth, ti
na pw egw twra otan milaei h episthmh...

SCD
Post by Sophia
Post by Spyros Daskaleas
Kala den perimena tipote kallitero apo sena Oikonomidoy.
Swpa re adiknmeve!
Fusika, egw perimeva apo seva omws oln autn tnv kaln 0elnsn pou deixveis
Post by Spyros Daskaleas
An h3eres ta gelia poy exei ri3ei o Kastanas me tis malakies soy
bebaia allh poreia 8a eixes
kai sxoliazoovtas ta kila mou kai tnv oikogeveiakn mou katastasn.
3exases va peis oti eimai kai asxnmomoura kai megaln stnv nlikia kai
koutsompola kai exw yuxologika problnmata kai paw se yuxavalutn.
Ti givetai, exeis arxisei va 3exvas ti prepei va peis kai me poia seira
va to peis;
(Fusika to oti akoma dev exw parei to didaktoriko mou exw polu kairo va
to akousw edw mesa, alla pesto ki auto, etsi, gia va mnv afnvoume keva)
Sophia
2008-02-11 19:30:01 UTC
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Re Oikonomidoy soy prokalei ekplh3h to oti moy rixneis mphxtes kai
antidrw?
Epeidn mazi milame kai xwria katalabaivomaste edw kai polla xrovia kai
epeidn 0elw pragmatika va bre0ei mia lusn s'autn tnv elleiyn suvevvonsns
giati me exei kourasei para polu, pes mou pou eides tis mpnxtes sto
mnvuma mou.
episns, av kai 3erw oti dev 0elei kavevas va avakateutei klp klp. sas
parakalw polu olous, av exete dia0esn, kavte mia avalusn sto mnvuma (gia
eukolia to para0etw sto telos) kai peite mou pou blepete mpnxtes,
diforoumeva 'n otidnpote sugkalummevo giati egw pisteuw oti eipa evtelws
3eka0ara o,ti eixa va pw kai ti sto kalo, av 3erw ti grafw, toulaxistov
va mou to peite.
Akn, Lnda, Feidia, mia pou ndn summetexetw sot thread, luste mou tnv
aporia giati profavws kati dev blepw sto grapto mou kai profavws auto to
kati dnmiourgei pare3ngnsn.

Avte, gia va sas deleasw, mia pou oloi sugkiveiste me ta mageirika,
opoios mpei stov kopo va mou lusei tnv aporia kai mou steilei me
proswpiko taxudromikn dieu0uvsn 0a tou steilw kaveva kilo tsagaki Earl
Grey 'n allo vtopio edesma/ rofnma.

Opote n erwtnsn eivai: pou blepete tis mpnxtes sto akolou0o mnvuma mou:
Akn, sto 0ema pou e0teis 0a apavtnsw argotera, giait eivia a3io
avalusns. Lnda, mnv parapoviesai oti kavevas klp klp. To exoume
3avasuzntnsei to 0ema. O,ti eipa tote isxuei akoma.
Gia to av mas evdiaferei va rwtnsoume giati, exw va pw: Oxi, de me
evdiaferei, alla av oi amesa evdiaferomevoi 0elouv va mas pouv apo movoi
tous, peite mou va parw to popkorv kai va piasw mia kaln 0esn va dw to
0eama. Allwste, 0a elega oti trwgeste va ta peite.
Oso gia tov Daskalea... Dev mporw va pw oti dev gelasa. Otav dnladn sou
sumbaivouv auta pou o idios kaveis stous allous evoxleisai;
Kai toulaxistov, estw, as poume oti me tov gkast exete proswpikes
diafores pou dev tis 3eroume kai mpore va eivia polu sobares.
Me emeva ti proswpikes diafores exeis; Oute exoume koivous gvwstous,
oute se exw dei pote mou. Me to Feidia ti diafores exeis, pou omoiws dev
vomizw oti exete bre0ei pote 'n oti exete otidnpote koivo;
A, vai, kai va to mnvuma tou Daskalea me merikes dior0wseis, opws dnladn
Sto katw katw ths grafhs, filoi moy den eiste kai an deka xronia meta
de sas exw dei to pio fysiologiko einai na mh bre8oyme pote face-to-face
alla re gamwto an gia sas ayth h kakoh8eia, synexhs kai aproklhth, toy
Daskalea, xronia twra, de sas kanei oyte kryo oyte zesth, e ti na pw,
apla den to perimena. Oyte 8yma eimai oyte to paristanw, ligotero me
enoxloyn ayta poy grafei o Daskaleas (giati einai malakas) apo to oti
profanws mia xronia epi8esh menei PANTA anapanthth apo oloys 'h sxedon
oloys edw mesa.
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2008-02-11 23:30:02 UTC
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Ante gamhsoy re Thomas prwi prwi poy 8a moy kaneis kai ma8hma. Hli8ie.

SCD
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Statistika tns ekpaideusns
Sygnwmh alla de briskomai se 8esh kamia, apla den mporw na katalabw
pws einai dynaton ENAS an8rwpos edw mesa na mh bgei oxi na me
yperaspistei alla apla na rwthsei malaka ti skata kollhma exei mazi
moy kai den asxoleitai me allo pragma edw mesa.
Daskalea, an ton antimetwpises opws antimetwpises emena sthn arxh me ths
eksupnades sou bgalmenes apo thn eis bathos paideia sou kala sou kanei.
Psakse na breis ti egrapsa egw otan me parotrune na anoiksw kabga mazi
sou kai mh ginesai crying baby oti kanenas den se uperaspizetai, akoma
kai egw se uperaspistika .
Meta , me to tropo pou stelnei mhnumata den ta diabazei kanenas, egw den
anoigw atatchments na brw mia frash treis lekseis gemath uponooymena,
ara den kseroume ti kanete eseis
Oso gia kabga me esena, (den anoigw ena kabga pou hdh ton exw kerdisei)
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The Brights - Elevating the naturalistic worldview
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Na ma8w ki egw dhladh.
SCD
Post by lida anestidou
Ws palio 8uma exw kanei thn idia erwthsh ena
ekatommurio fores. Lupamai pou briskesai se auth th
8esh, isws twra na katalabaineis ti trabh3ame alloi
mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes kai mhnes.
Ehw ton exw ftysmeno ton tupo, apodei3h oti ta exei
balei kai mazi mou. Den exw na proteinw allh lush apo
to na ton agnoeis. L.
Ante gamhsoy re deilo an8rwpario.
8elw na 3erw gamw to feleki moy giati anexeste ton
psyxanwmalo toson kairo xwris na anoigete to stoma sas, sto katw katw
ths grafhs. Ti na pei kaneis.
SCD
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